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DKW
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11/29/2004
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Recently had calipers seize and ruin my brembo brake rotor on the right front. The caliper is covered under warranty, but DC is refusing to replace my rotor. Any suggestions?
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chaximus
Dodge Dakota
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11/29/2004
17:01:27
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Buy another, they aren't expensive. I run advance auto rotors and they do just as good as stock rotors. $12 a piece.
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daddio
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11/29/2004
17:32:31
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i think it's gonna be a little more than 12 bucks to replace that BREMBO rotor. i'm no lawyer but, IMO all that DC would be required to do is reimburse you for a stock rotor. give 'em hell! and good luck
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.boB
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11/30/2004
00:43:56
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Is that a stock Brembo rotor? Didn't know DC installed those on any of their trucks.
Anyway, if the part is under warrenty, and it failed, That parts and all related damage should be covered. If your dealership doesn't see it that way, call another one. If that doesn't work, look in the owners manual for the regional service dept. Everybody works for somebody; you just have to work your way up the food chain.
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DKW
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11/30/2004
09:25:59
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Thanks for the suggestions. I've actually had the same rotor warping problem I read a lot about on this site. I've replaced them once with NAPA rotors and tey warped. Two months ago I installed the brembo rotors ($220 pair) and performance friction pads. I've followed all the suggestions about rear drum adjustments and everything and now the calipers caused a problem. All I want them to do is replace the one brembo rotor with another brembo or replace both brembos with stock stuff (can't have a factory stuff on one side and brembo on the other). The dealership is actually very helpful, it's DC thats the problem. Unfortunately, it gets to the point, financially, that it's not worth fighting anymore.
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.boB
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11/30/2004
16:30:12
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Wait, you want DC to replace failed parts that they don't sell or install? Forget it, it's not going to happen. You should be talking with Brembo.
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Kowalski
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11/30/2004
16:44:52
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.boB - Why talk with Brembo - do you think they should replace a rotor ruined by a bad stock caliper ?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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.boB
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11/30/2004
23:37:51
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OK, now I'm confused (not an uncommon occurance). Is this the Brembo brake kit - which includes caliper, rotor, and associated hardware? Or is it simply Brembo rotors and everything else is stock?
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DSW
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12/01/2004
02:43:38
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DSW - DKW ?? ;) LOL
I had similar problems with my 00, warping cheap replacement rotors every 10-20K. I finally bit the bullet and replaced the front rotors with Raybestos drilled and slotted rotors and also rebuilt the front calipers, seals $12 from Mopar. Either the calipers were hanging to some degree causing the rotors to warp, or the AutoZone rotors were poor quailty like the stock units. Either way, I have not had problems with the brakes for over a year, 40K.
Even if the dealer replaces the rotor, they will replace it with the same junk that was on the truck before you invested in the Brembo rotors. Have the Brembo's machined and see if it resolves the problem. Bad thing about warped rotors, sometimes you get a tweeker and it just keeps warping. I hope the bad caliper didn't warp the Brembo so bad that it won't stay true after being machined.
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DKW
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12/01/2004
10:55:27
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To clarify, it was the caliper that caused the brembo rotor to warp. I only replced the rotors with brembos and pads with performance friction. It was not a complete brake kit.
I just heard back from them and all they will do is replace the $110 brembo with a stock rotor they are saying costs $95. They know I can't go for that. Then I have to pay another $95 for a stock rotor for the left side when I can order another brembo for the right and have a matched pair of rotors. They are telling me the brembo would be damaged by the machine they use to turn rotors since it is slotted, so turning the brembo really isn't an option.
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daddio
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12/01/2004
11:41:24
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tell them you'll take that $95 cash and use that to purchase a new matching BREMBO. see if they'll go for that. all they can do is say no!
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Kowalski
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12/01/2004
11:47:12
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Good suggestion; they should at least give you their cost for that rotor. Or just run that stock rotor til you can get another Brembo.
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DSW
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12/01/2004
12:33:26
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I talked to at least 10 shops about turning drilled or slotted rotors and they say the voids in the rotor tear up the brake lathe cutter head, not the lathe ruining the rotor. If this is coming from the dealer I would try elsewhere as they might be telling you it will ruin your rotor when in actuallity it's going to trash one of thier lathe's cutter heads. Do some phone work and see if you can locate a shop that will turn the rotors for you. I only found one place (a car repair shop, not a parts store) that will turn drilled or slotted rotors in Vegas. They charge $15/rotor to machine (WOW), but still cheaper than a new $100 rotor.
I had a set of PowerStops (drilled rotors) turned a couple of years ago and they worked just fine after being machined. Problem with having a slotted rotor turned is you will lose some groove depth by having them machined.
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DKW
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12/01/2004
15:07:55
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The dealership just called me again and said they would replace my brembo rotor (with a brembo), my right side caliper (the bad one) and install a set of brake pads so I'll have a matched set of pads on both sides, at no cost and including labor. I think this is just the dealership doing me a favor. This is more than I was asking for. It's a shame when a dealership steps up and helps you out when a corporation as big as DC won't.
As far as turning the rotor tearing it up, they may have been referring to their machine when they said "tear it up." Of course, I would never ask them to do it if it might damage their machine.
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daddio
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12/01/2004
15:44:37
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glad to hear your dealer came thru for you!
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TexasTodd
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12/01/2004
16:43:08
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I must be doing something wrong, or maybe it's something right!
MY 01 QC, 4.7, Manual 5 speed, about 68,ooo miles, is still on the original brakes! The last time they balanced and rotated the tires, I looked at the front pads, and they looked good.
You know, I use the parking brake, and tranny in nuetral when it's parked, (remember, manual tranny). I also do the back up and slam the brakes on thing, every so often.
This (parking brake, etc) keeps my rear 11 inch drums, (with my trailer towing pack) in proper adjustment, and it stops well, on the original brakes.
I'll be willing to bet, that most of those having all these premature warpage, build up, etc,
#1. have an auto tranny, and #2, never use the parking brake, which adjusts the rear brakes when it's used, putting less work on the fronts, etc.
Yes, they are sub-par brakes,
and Yes, I'm glad I was able to order my Dak, 4.7, with a Manual tranny.
Good luck
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daddio
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12/01/2004
17:22:10
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tex, i hate to tell you this but i believe all QC's have 11" drums. my '00 QC sport, 3.9 5spd manny w/o the tow package has them. and yes, i think a lot of the problem is the smaller drums on the RC's & CC's. if you look at it i bet 90% of the brake complaints come from these owners. most of the rest are from QC owners w/ auto. manual tranny is the way to go. i've got about 45,000 and my pads still have about 3/4's left. no warpage at all.
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daddio
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12/01/2004
17:25:38
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OOOPPS! forgot to mention. i rarely use the park brake. only if the truck is parked and running.
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TexasTodd
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12/01/2004
18:41:53
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daddio,
who's your daddy?
J/K
Thanks for your input about the 11 inch drums. Although I just went to Monroe reflex shocks, I think the shocks are different-gas charged, on the QC. You know, I agree with you on our manual trannies. I still get a big grin every time I drive my hot 4.7, QC, 5spd manaul, SLT, etc. It's so fun, and fast.
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DKW
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12/02/2004
08:26:46
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TexasTodd,
That's interesting about the auto/manual tranny thing. I thought about that because sometimes it takes a lot of pedal effort to keep the truck from moving when it's in "drive," especially when the air conditioner compressor is running. Wasn't sure if I was off base or not. And yes, "daddio," my truck is a CC automatic. I do always use the parking brake, though.
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Figols
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12/02/2004
11:10:13
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Also, don't forget that most with a manual tranny use the benefit of engine braking when slowing down as opposed to put the truck in neutral or holding in the clutch when braking(which I know some do). Auto trannys have no choice so all of the vehicle weight is slowed completely by the brakes.
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