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sidvic
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6/18/2004
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just switched from castrol syntec the oil that isnt completely synthetic to mobil 1 let me say the truck feels great but it made a weird noise right after start up and it sounds different at start up also ,anybody know whats up ,drop a line id appreciate it.
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curious
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6/18/2004
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Did you change the filter too, and if so did you fill it before replacing it?
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6/19/2004
11:26:16
|  Amsoil -- Mobil1 too thin and causes ticking noise
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Curious is mostly correct.
Valve train noise is almost always related the the oil filter ... the "Anti Drain Back Valve" (ADBV) or the lack of one, ... or the fact that the oil may be too thin for the particular engine. Some engines just like a thicker oil and Mobil1 is on the thin side (read below).
First ... If your filter has an ADBV ... switch it for a new filter since the ADBV may have a defect. It it does not have an ADBV ... go out and get yourself a filter with an ADBV and try that ... which helps keep all of the lines fill of oil at startup. Some vehicles are just way too sensative as far as having oil in the filter (and in the lines) at startup. If your current filter has a ADBV, it may simply have a bad ADBV, and switching the filter may help.
However, you may want to read some of my prior posts, where I have stated that it is a known fact that Mobil1 is thin ... and that it simply escapes the ADBV (if your current filter has an ADBV) and that is what's contributing to the cold start knock. Most of the problems that people have with Mobil1 is due to it's fuel efficient, too-thin viscosity.
Also, because of Mobil1's thin nature, it drains off of the internal engine components too easily. I also feel its too thin when hot because you may also experience a ticking sound at hot idle. Mobil1 is a fine oil but it is just too thin for some engines. The noise may not be hurting anything but it's not comforting listening to the ticking and it makes you feel like this oil is not protecting like it should.
Bottom Line ... change the filter first and make certain that your oil filter has an ADBV. If you still have the ticking noise ... switch oils (to a thicker Mobil1) or ... as an alternative ... Please consider Amsoil if you do.
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LilRed01
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6/20/2004
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I've used synthetic oil since about 10000km, now at 58000km and even before i sitched it has always taken 2-3 seconds to build oil pressure. I was using Castrol in the begining and now I'm using the Mobile 1, I didn't notice any/much difference. I also use the Mopar oil filter pn# FE292 every time.
I use the 10W30 in the summer and 5W30 in the winter, in the winter it still takes longer to build pressure.
I want to switch to a synthetic RearGear lube as well, people say to use 75w90syn will that be too thin or will a 80w90syn work as well, trying to keep with what the manufactuer recomends. 3.55LSD, and yes I am aware that I will also need a friction modifier.
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6/20/2004
14:45:32
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MOPAR uses many different manufacturers to manufacture their oil filters. Some manufacturers are better than others. Some of the MOPAR filters are made by FRAM ... some of the worst filters on the market. Fram uses a cardboard material in the construction of their oil filters - even using cardboard for the Anti Drain Back Valve (ADBV). Try a better filter next time and your engine will thank you. Your engine will no longer be "dry" during start-up.
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6/20/2004
15:01:39
| Amsoil Gear Lube - Slip-Lock Differential Additive
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LilRed01,
Use what is recommended, and if you decided to use the heavier weight --- you would only spend a lot more money at the gas pump! You don't need a heavier weight! I have Freightliner customers driving Class 8 Tractor Trailor Trucks using 75w-90 synthetic gear lube in their difs. Tuff enough for them ... Tuff enough for me.
FYI - Gear Lube Information:
High quality gear oils must lubricate, cool and protect geared systems. They must also carry damaging wear debris away from contact zones and muffle the sound of gear operation. Commonly used in differential gears and standard transmission applications in commercial and passenger vehicles, as well as a variety of industrial machinery, gear oils must offer extreme temperature and pressure protection in order to prevent wear, pitting, spalling, scoring, scuffing and other types of damage that result in equipment failure and downtime. Protection against oxidation, thermal degradation, rust, copper corrosion and foaming is also important.
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AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube delivers unbeatable protection and fuel economy (independent testing shows class 8 vehicles with AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube in the differentials obtained up to 4.83 percent more mpg than vehicles equipped with another popular gear lube). Amsoil Synthetic Gear Lube has the film strength required to deliver all the protection heavy-duty and high-stress applications need in a fuel-saving viscosity grade. AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube is recommended for use in all passenger vehicles, commercial trucks and race vehicles.
AMSOIL 75W-90, 80W-90 AND 85W-140 Gear Lubes exceed the lubrication and performance requirements for gear boxes where API MT-1, GL-4 or GL-5 lubricants are specified.
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Amsoil's latest (and best) Gear Lube, Series 2000
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AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube delivers unbeatable protection and fuel economy. It has the film strength required to deliver all the protection heavy-duty and high-stress applications need in a fuel-saving viscosity grade. Recommended for use in all passenger vehicles, commercial trucks and race vehicles. Product Code: TGR
APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic Gear Lube is Recommended
for Applications Requiring the Following Specifications:
API MT-1, GL-2 THROUGH GL-5, MIL-PRF-2105E, MACK GO-J and GO-J PLUS, CHRYSLER MS-9070, GM 12346190, FORD M2C-201-A, ROCKWELL 0-76-E, EATON PS-037A, PS-109
AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic Gear Lube provides limited slip performance. Although generally not necessary, original equipment manufacturers' limited slip additives may be used in conjunction with AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic Gear Lube.
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I am going to quote an old friend from this site ... Sandman.
... and I quote: "GM recomends 100,000 to 150,00 mile drain intervals. This is in the 8.625 rear end's equipted with synthetic gear lube from factory. This is under normal conditions. So I will apoligise for makeing fun of Amsoil's claim of "life of vechile" drain interval for their new 2000 series gear lube. I figure if that type of drain interval can be aproved by an OEM then that is good enough for me!
Sandman
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Amsoil Series 2000 Gear Lube is latest introduction from Amsoil offering a higher level of performance vs. Amsoil's regular gear lube. They start with a different base stock with a special additives package. Amsoil could have discontinued the regular gear lube but contine to carry it due to its popularity.
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Additives ?
AMSOIL Slip-Lock Differential Additive
Effectively Eliminates Gear Housing Chatter
When making a turn, the outer wheels of a vehicle must travel faster than the inner wheels. It is up to the differential to act as a balance arm, establishing constant equilibrium of torques and forces between the left-hand and right-hand driven wheels. In standard (or open) differentials, power is directed to the wheel offering the least resistance. This works well when making a turn, but in a situation where one wheel is lifted off the ground, it causes the suspended wheel to turn while the other remains motionless.
Limited-slip (or positraction) and locking differentials are traction-increasing devices. Locking differentials transfer all available torque to both wheels. The teeth of the spider assembly engage with those on the locker clutch, causing both axle shafts to operate as one. Locking differentials don't allow one drive wheel to spin while the other remains stationary. Instead, they keep both wheels in drive mode, but unlock to permit different wheel speeds when turning. The engaging and disengaging of the teeth on automatic locking differentials often causes a banging and clunking sound. Manual locking differentials usually use an electric motor or vacuum diaphragm to engage the locker, reducing this noise.
Limited-slip differentials allow different wheel speeds when turning, but when one wheel loses traction, greater torque is transferred to the wheel offering more resistance. Limited-slip differentials make use of friction between clutch plates, as opposed to the meshing teeth employed by locking differentials. Transferring less torque per side, limited-slip differentials are generally smoother and quieter than locking differentials, but still sometimes "chatter" when transferring torque to the wheel with traction.
In some differential applications, a friction modifier additive is necessary to reduce chatter. AMSOIL Slip-Lock Differential Additive is formulated with advanced friction modifiers and is designed to eliminate gear-housing chatter in cars, trucks and SUVs equipped with limited-slip, positraction and locking differentials. It also reduces the banging and clunking associated with automatic locking differentials.
AMSOIL Slip-Lock Differential Additive is formulated for use with both synthetic and petroleum gear lubricants and safely replaces manufacturer recommended friction modifiers. Its convenient flip-top dispenser provides quick and easy application to the gear housing. One four-ounce bottle of Slip-Lock treats differential capacities of two to four quarts. It is not for use in automatic transmissions or other applications requiring ATF.
NOTE: AMSOIL Synthetic Gear Lubes DO NOT require the use of this additive. However, not all differentials respond the same and if chatter is noticed, the addition of AMSOIL Slip-Lock will eliminate it. For chattering differentials not running AMSOIL Gear Lube, this product is an excellent solution to the problem.
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DIY Helpful Information
For those of you thinking of changing your own fluids (DIY) ...
Helpful Differential Recommendations:
-Flush (drain) as much of the old fluid out.
-Differential fluid capacity depends on ring gear and axle housing size.
-Do not over/under fill differential. This could mean a capacity difference of a quart or more and may cause overheating problems. (See the owner’s manual for proper fill level)
AMSOIL gear oils are formulated with friction modifiers for limited slip differential applications. There is no need to add limited slip or additional additives.
-After changing the differential fluid, drive the vehicle in 7 or 8 figure eight turns, so the new lubricant can work its way into the axle assembly.
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LilRed01
Dodge Dakota
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6/20/2004
21:32:12
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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6/22/2004
18:47:50
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Switched over to Mobil 1 10w30 super syn, I think thats what it's called I'm at work now so I can't say for sure. I have noticed a significant drop in temps during the summer while idleing in traffic and even cruising around the engine seems to run cooler. I have all kinds of oil pressure so that's not a worry, although I accidently installed a fram filter before I read all the bad sh!t about them. Doesn't really matter I'm changing this first batch of oil at 5000KM's and I might change the filter at 3000KM's.
I know the amsoil guys will throw a fit and say stuff about how their oil is marginally better (yes I've seen the grossly enlarged graphs). Mobil 1 has the advantage of being widely and easily available, comes in performance cars from the factory and is also slightly less expensive.
I'm not trying to argue whether Mobil 1 is better than Amsoil because Amsoil appears to be a marginally better oil but it doesn't make up for the advantages Mobil 1 has at least in my opinion.
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Dodge Dakota
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6/22/2004
20:04:19
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00' RT/BC
I use nothing but Amsoil in all of my equipment.
I have run Amsoil and Mobil side by side in like equipment and
the winner was Amsoil hands down.
Mobil doesn't even make most of the products that my
equipment specifies ..... Amsoil Does !
I can even buy it in 35 and 55 gallon drums or 275 gallon totes
and .......... it is delivered to my door!
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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6/23/2004
10:11:25
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That's great but I find Mobil 1 meets MY needs better than amsoil.
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Bob Lincoln
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6/23/2004
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"However, you may want to read some of my prior posts, where I have stated that it is a known fact that Mobil1 is thin ... and that it simply escapes the ADBV (if your current filter has an ADBV) and that is what's contributing to the cold start knock. Most of the problems that people have with Mobil1 is due to it's fuel efficient, too-thin viscosity.
Also, because of Mobil1's thin nature, it drains off of the internal engine components too easily. I also feel its too thin when hot because you may also experience a ticking sound at hot idle. Mobil1 is a fine oil but it is just too thin for some engines. The noise may not be hurting anything but it's not comforting listening to the ticking and it makes you feel like this oil is not protecting like it should."
I find this to be completely wrong in my case. I use Mobil One to eliminate the so-called piston slap noise in winter. It's been gone for 100K miles since I switched.
Also, I use either STP or Purolator filters, and they NEVER drain back. The filter is always full of oil at every change.
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6/23/2004
10:28:13
| Amsoil Retail Prices Synthetic SAE 5w-30 and S2000
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The most common oil recommendation for Dakota's is:
Amsoil SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
(1) quart bottle - $5.85 (Retail)
(1) gallon bottle - $22.80 (Retail)
(12) quart bottles - $69.00 (Retail)
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The following is Amsoil's most expensive oil with our most robust additives package. This is NOT the one I usually recommend for Dakota's.
Amsoil SERIES 2000 - SAE 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
(1) quart bottle - $8.35 (Retail)
(1) gallon bottle - $31.55 (Retail)
(12) quart bottles - $99.00 (Retail)
Amsoil Preferred Customer Pricing is a lot less! Approximately 20% less!
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6/23/2004
10:44:05
| Amsoil Retail Prices Synthetic SAE 5w-30 and S2000
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Thank you Bob, I have stated the same information also.
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FYI Everyone --
Either oil mentioned above is recommended for most Dakotas.
Amsoil SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
Amsoil SERIES 2000 - SAE 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
Most visitors to this site know how I feel about Amsoil Series 2000. Amsoil's SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oils are excellent oils and have shown to be almost the same quality as the Series 2000. IMHO ... Amsoil 10w-30 gives you the best bang for $$$, and it is the oil I use.
Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 is the more shear stable of the two Amsoil formulations (SAE vs. Series 2000). The Series 2000 also reduces friction (better gas mileage -- fuel savings of approx 2%-3% in comparison to the 10w-30 in short trip driving), protects from heat and wear better, better engine cleanliness than the 5w-30 and 10w-30 due to higher detergency, better cold weather performance --- in any high performance application, --- and will provide the lowest oil consumption in older vehicles that are experiencing oil consumption problems.
Special note: Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 can be used to in place of 5w-20/5w-30/10w-30 oils. I'd even recommend it in engines that come with 0w-40 or 5w-40 grades.
Either oil is fine. I use the less pricey of the two. If you drive your truck "hard" --- you might be happier with your choice of the Series 2000.
How about that. A salesman not trying to talk you into the higher priced oil ; - )
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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6/23/2004
11:57:41
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Actually Amsoil Sponser Bob was disagreeing with you, he was simply quoting what you said. Next time read the whole post.
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6/23/2004
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00 RT/BC,
You are correct, but he is not in disagreement. Not all engines perform the same, even when using the same oil. If Bob's engine likes Mobil1, and Mobil1 is his oil of choice, then I have nothing to add. I stand behind all of my earlier posts.
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6/23/2004
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"I find this to be completely wrong..."
First thing he says, sounds like a disagreement to me.
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Bob Lincoln
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6/23/2004
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I guess some people can't read. I AM in disagreement with you, Amsoil Sponsor. That would be clear if you read my post, which includes in quotes the part I disagree with.
You didn't by an chance write a policy on torture, or on progress against terrorism, did you? 8)
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Dodge Dakota
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6/25/2004
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Now here is a good comparison !
Some people buy a FORD
Some people buy a DODGE
Some people buy Mobil1
Some people buy AMSOIL
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03 QC Sport +
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6/25/2004
11:22:45
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I was considering changing all fluids in my 03 Dakota Quad 4.7 to Amsoil synthetic. My question is the "A" maintenance schedule is 6 mo. 6000 miles. The "B" schedule (which is the one I follow) is 3 mo. 3000 miles. The Amsoil extended drain interval for the Series 2000 oil is one year 35,000 miles, with a 6 mo. 12,500 oil filter change. The SAE 5w-30 Synthetic is one year 25,000 mile, with the 6 mo. 12,500 oil filter change as well. How would these extended intervals effect the 7 - 70 drivetrain warranty on my Dakota??? I really think that would be grounds for warranty rejection. If I used the manufacturers schedule with Amsoil it would be VERY EXPENSIVE. What are everyone's thoughts on this???
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jeremiah2360
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6/25/2004
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For one thing 03, Amsoil will not last 25 or 35k in a 4.7 unless you have ideal driving conditions,a by-pass set up and oil testing to monitor the oil`s condition. I found mine to last 10k without a problem,that`s the oil change interval I`m comfortable with. I also am using Amsoil ATF without any problems,the series 2000 gear lube(75-90) in the diffs and Amsoil ATF in the transfer case. You can go to bobistheoilguy.com forums and see my results under the used oil analysis section. Just type in 4.7 or jeremiah2360 in the search feature. Lots of other good things there too.
Your probably better off using Regular Dino oil to 5k to satisfy your warranty. You might want to have it tested for your own peace of mind to make sure everything is ok(plus it`s interesting to see I think),regardless 5k is really not hard for todays Dino oils to handle. If your lazy,put on a lot of miles and don`t mind bucking the system a little(like me)10 to 15k drains with a good synthetic are possible with testing.
Warranty issues with the oil may not be brought up if the dealer doesn`t see a sludged up or obviously neglected engine. I have my oil tested after every change and keep records just in case.
I probably would have a problem with the warranty because I am using Amsoil ATF. Mopar hasn`t released their +4 formula to the public,to make a long story short it`s Amsoil approved not Mopar approved. I`d have to be a preferred customer with Amsoil and have oil analysis records to get reimbursed by Amsoil`s warranty. Which is where you don`t want to be,in the middle of an Amsoil and DC claims battle. In retrospect I should of waited until the warranty was up before I went to Amsoil but I`m stubborn and wanted what I thought was best for my truck at the time(it`s not like Mopar`s ATF is horrible).
Thats enough from me. Just my opinions not gospel. Got to be careful,oil can be a touchy subject around here :)
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 33k
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RAMEWE
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6/26/2004
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Feel the difference use Royal Purple!! www.royal purple.com
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