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Bowtie ZL-1
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4/26/2004
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gen1dak
Are you 16?
Sounds like the only "knowledge" you have is either from a catalog or from your friends (if you have any).
Just becasue a cams operating range tops at say 4000...does that mean that the engine can not rev any higher then 4000?
You need to go back to school, you are so ignorant the conversation isn't even fun. You have no real knowledge to contend with what I have posted. You may be able to fool some shadetree's but you do not know your arse from a hole in the ground.
Now back to school, BOY!
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Stoop to his level???? I must have missed the part where he calls you names, YEEEE HAAAAWWWW!
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RAMDAKOTA
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Guess you don't understand english very well then. Because, his reply was insulting just the same.
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gen1dak
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Operating range of a cam is where it makes power. Naturally, it will usually rev higher, but would you really rev 1000rpm above the power falloff rpm? Not unless you really like making noise. No wait, I forget who I'm addressing. I guess you would.
As for my knowledge, it ALL from written sources, be it Mopar Performance manuals, product catalogs, whatever. It's okay. I understand your reply. Class.... this is what happens when you get nailed on facts, that are backed up in writing.
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/26/2004
17:59:49
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Please tell me, in your infinite wisdom, how running a cam out of the RPM range will be noisy.
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00 RT/BC
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4/26/2004
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Well I generally don't know squat about vehicles but I've driven my share. Usually higher RPM's = more noise. Take an engine running at 5500RPM and the same engine running at 6500RPM I think the 6500RPM will be louder.
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Bowtie-ZL1
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Gen1dak said something stupid such as:
" and they specify ProMagnum lifters, which are not a variable bleed rate lifter. These hydraulics are specifically designed to not float valves at 7 grand. "
Do you care to recant that statement before I school you, boy?
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Bowtie-ZL1
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Gen1dak said something stupid yet again:
" Oh, and while I'm on it, let's discuss the 305's inability to breathe. You stated this was due to a small bore. This is laughable. "
Do you want to spew forth rumor and what you read in a jegs/summit/paw catalog or do you want to class to begin, boy?
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gen1dak
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Along with my stupid statements were the stupidly correct explanations which, apparently, only you are having trouble with. Go ahead, stomp on the anthill. The battle is already lost, and this is now becoming a waste of my time.
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gen1dak
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Oh, one last thing. Bowtie, you probably should seek professional help with that whole 16y/o schoolboy fascination thing.
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greendak
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I got a friend that is putting a 355ci motor in his late 80's 2dr Blazer. He also has an 87 Full size chevy w/ the throttle body injected 305. He has done some stuff to it(not sure about all the things) like cat-back exhaust, corvette valvebody, and other things. All in all, it'll haul a$$. He can get it to chirp tires in 2nd and 3rd & its an auto. Pretty cool I guess. BUT, I'm still a Dodge guy.
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/27/2004
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gen1dak
You are a typical shadetree that doesn't know sh|t.
You should really go back to school. Your job prospects have dwindled ever since the invention of the "DitchWitch".
What, you can't answer the questions? Are you scared that your catalogs don't have the information that you need?
Ofcourse, this is a waste of your time, you could actually learn something.
You are pathetic.
To get a clue on cam RPM range check out some road course race engines. Even though they may max out at 8,000 (or greater) on the straights, their cam range may max out 5500. Airflow, not cam operating range, dictates max RPM.
LIFTERS do NOT float valves--- lack of control causes valve float. Springs provide control, Instead of running super stiff single coils, run a lighter dual coil maybe even with dampners. With extreme and extended rpm, one might need a "rev kit", this is to keep the heavy lifter in contact with the cam---- Neither option is a "race only" option. These are actual mods to increase performance-- not mods like 39XX autolite plugs, and silverstar headlights.
As far as the breathing capability of the 305, It is limited by the bore....period. The head design has been a problem with SBC's. this is no secret. But many of us have gotten a round that using a frigging dremel. You cannot put large valves in a 305 without hitting the block, So you notch the bore, WOW, you have increased shrouding---but yet you say that it does not...just think about it instead of reading a magazine.
Look at the BBC as Compared to the SBC...the BBC was designed for NASCAR (Smokey's Mystery Motor) to correct the SBC short comings. Look at the rotated and canted valves. This is no secret. Even with the "old" head design, with a proper set of heads with 1.84" valves. I can still pull about 370 HP from a 305 and drive it on the street--- granted it will be lumpy and not pass emmissions but it will not be so radical that it can not be driven in daily traffic.
With the "old" design of a chevy 350-- I can, just using shelf items, pull 19" of vacuum and have close to 400 HP. The magical mark for a proper SBC is no longer 1HP/1CID, it is 450HP. 400 is so easy to get, it is not even a struggle.
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dad
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4/27/2004
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Ok kiddies, the question was "Chevy 305 and Dak 318 comparision", not who knows more about Chevy engines. Now stop comparing your little weinies and play nice.
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gen1dak
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I never said there wasn't shrouding in the Chevy. I also never said anything about putting larger valves in a 305. (You really should read more clos...umm, I mean, you really should have someone read it to you more thoroughly.) In fact, that was the whole point in pointing out the crappy head design. My examples were using the 273, which has an even smaller bore, but breathes quite well, and with no excuses. Inadequate springs float valves. Duh. Stating that lifters do not float valves shows how little you really know. Any idea what's inside a hydraulic lifter? At high rpm's the lifters pump up, and the valve cannot close. That's also called FLOATING. That's why hydraulics have a theoretical limit around 6500 rpm, except in the types of examples like the ones I've already made. An engine "may" max out at 8000, but the cam "may" max out at 5500? What idiot (besides you and anyone not in victory lane) would run a cam like that? The answer would be nobody who knows anything about cams. Max operating range 5500 rpm. Well Hell, I think I'll just go run that to 8000. Power peaks around 5 grand, but who cares, I'm gonna run it to 8 grand. Brilliant. You know, for someone who claims to not be pro-Chevy, you sure sound like you are. What is more and more obvious is your lack of real information. The fact that you resort to insulting my documented facts in an attempt to undermine my credibility is also quite telling. You have yet to reference a single documented statement BOY! I guess comic books don't have that sort of information. The final nail in the coffin: "Airflow, not cam operating range, dictates max RPM." Umm, how much air do you flow with a wimpy cam, genius? It's not just airflow, it's the whole package, and how well it works together.
Resorting to threatening taunts to drag me back into your sad, mis-informed world will now go un-answered. I know it breaks your heart, but I must move on. This is probably the most attention you've received in a long time, but you must now be left to wander in ignorance. Do the rest of us a favor? Wander in the right-hand lane. Outta the way! Loo-hooo-hoooser!
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/28/2004
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One thing about you and your post...you ought to be a comedian---that sh|t was funny.
When a lifter pumps up, it is a completely different process and sound then when a valve floats go back to the catalogs...
cam operating range dictates where the max power and therefore efficiency will be in the RPM range of the engine. A road race engine, for example, will be tuned to give max power in certain areas of the track, say a medium speed turn where passing is paramount, the RPM in that turn could be as low as 5,000. they would then use a cam that maximizes power between 5,000 and 6,000 in order to get off the corner to pass the competition. Even though they may have to turn 8,000 with the same gear down the straight. How do you think they accomplish that? AIRFLOW. You really need to go back to school. You are outta your league. You may be able to build or spec out a straight line drag motor but you do not have the cognitive thought capability for a real engine.
When you grow up and gain the ability to read anything without pictures to guide you, come back and re-read this post, so you can apologize for sheer ignorance.
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dad
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4/28/2004
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You two are worse than a couple of old women. Let's see who can get the last word in. Later you bunch of hens.
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tim
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are there any other Dakota message boards?
i think i'm over the maturity limit for this one.
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slopehead
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5/01/2004
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bowtie and gen1 both of you remind me of two guys that ran a race in the special olympics, when the race (arguement) was over and the awards given out, both of you are still a couple of (now take your pick here) idiots/morons.
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gen1dak
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The really bad part is that you lump us together when we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. But hey, I'm over it. I think I made that pretty clear already. Maybe it's a reading comprehension issue. Anyway, other than an occasional helpful hint for someone actually wanting to learn, that's it for me. Too much time wasted stating the facts, only to be argued by someone uninformed, and then lumped into the same group as the yapping idiot by such helpful critics as those making references to "hens" and "Special Olympics".
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gen1dak
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BOO HOO!!!! Someone told me I was wrong. I'm gonna take my ball and go home. None of you lesser beings can possibly comprehend my obvious genius.
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