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rgathright
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4/19/2004
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My truck is a 3.92 Anti Spin, 5 spd, 4.7L V8
I get 15 city 18 highway with 3300 miles on my '04 4.7L, RC.
www.reubengathright.com for more info. :)
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AH
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4/19/2004
15:26:49
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Thank You!
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01Motorsport
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4/20/2004
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My overall (city+hwy) mpg is 18.5 on my 2001 4.7 5-spd 3:92 RC with 78K miles. Most of the time, the Dak gets 18 city/19 hwy. The only major mods are homebrew air intake, Flowmaster 70 duals, and 3" drop chassis. I have a Snugtop cab-hi shell. The worst mpg ever was 16, best was 20. I hurt the highway mpg slightly (lower ratio=more rpm)when I went to R/T 17x9's with 255/55/17 from the stock 16x8's with 255/65/16. I had the PCM flashed for the 1" speedo difference (29" tire to 28"). I like the smooth idle quality of Bosch Platinum +4 plugs. STP concentrated injector cleaner, a clean throttle body, and new PCV valve can help the idle/ driveability. 2-3 gallons of 93 octane is always in a full tank of 87 in my Dak, as well.
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stkboy
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4/21/2004
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Just joining in, My 98 Dakota, has plenty of power but get less than 15 MPG, wanted to know if anyone has found some tricks to boost the fuel economy. I just added a TORNADO the air intake device, it increase throttle response dramatically. I haven't yet got a full tanks reading on the improved MPG. The first tank I ran I had two tires that were way underinflatted and reduced my reading, I am expecting between 20 - 40 extra miles per tank.
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CThomp
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4/21/2004
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stkboy: I really hope you were kidding with the whole tornado thing. If you aren't kidding you just got taken for a ride. What you are experiencing is mental justification for spending your money on an air insert that does absolutely nothing for your Dak except obstruct the air flow. Get a tonneau-cover, run synthetics, maintain your tire pressure properly, improve your air flow through exhaust and intake upgrades, and stiffen your suspension are about the best things you can do. The gimmicks that are sold like the Tornado are just that...gimmicks. They are about as effective as throttle body spacers on our trucks. Not effective at all.
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MY H3RO
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4/21/2004
14:16:15
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Or magnets around your fuel line! That has to be the worst snake oil ever.
Sikboy, I put a tonneau on and went from 16.5 to 19.2 MPG. That's allfreeway so I probably benefited better than anyone else. Tomorrow it gets Mobil 1 for the first time. I would be happy to get another 1 MPG
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aj
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4/21/2004
21:24:09
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I found my foot is the best gas saver yet.There is no mileage secret out there, all those after market fixes are snake oil. Don't you think the manufactures would be putting them on their cars if they worked rather than spending millions on research to get the cars to EPA mileage standards??? I think so. Those inline gadgets and what not are JUNK.
I put mobil 1 in the truck last week with a K and N oil filter. truck had 1100 miles on it.
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WipLash
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4/21/2004
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aj,
I agree with everything you're saying, but the motor oil thing is still a gray area for me. Like you said, if those gadgets actually worked the manufactures would already have them on there. Wouldn't that same philosophy hold true for motor oil? Therefore, if the synthetics are all they claim to be, why don't our vehicles already come with it? If you could pay twice as much for motor oil and go twice as many miles without an oil change and increase gas mileage my just 1/2mpg wouldn't the oil already be in there from the manufacture?
I agree on the fact that 99% of this crap is snake oil. I just like to argue both sides sometimes. It does make you wonder why they don't put the good oil in from the factory. The do put synthetic oil in the VIPER from the factory.
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Harlow Wilcox
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4/21/2004
22:51:05
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And now is the time to put the "whirlwind" back in your automobile. Yes that's right, the time has never been better to install a new Tornado Fuel Saver in your car or truck.
Banish that bad gas mileage and put the pep back in your motor for spring and summer driving season.
Imagine the fast starts, the smooth idle, and the improved fuel economy only Tornado can give.
Why waste gasoline and your money without it?
The fact is you don't have to! Make the switch to Tornado today and join the many motorists who smile with satisfaction at how much better their automobile runs!
Hurry down to your local Tornado dealer and ask for the best...Tornado!
No matter what you drive, your satisfaction will not waver when you install your Tornado Fuel Saver.
Good night!
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aj
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4/21/2004
23:24:50
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Oil? mainly because oil has very little impact on gas mileage and the oil put in your car when new will be replaced within 4 to 5 months so why use it. They use oil that is cost effective and sufficient to get the job done, thats all they need. The factory oil in my 04 was in for 287 miles before I changed it.
You are talking apples and oranges here. Those gas improvement products would be a permanent fixture on the vehicle.
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aj
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4/21/2004
23:27:21
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One more note here. The reason they put 5-30 in the new vehicles is for the EPA gas mileage standards. The 5-30 just helps them sneak by. 5-30 does give a bit better fuel mileage but that has nothing to do with synthetic oil. It is a big game with the EPA and the CARB.
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WipLash
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4/22/2004
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aj,
The EPA standards is what I was refering to. If the synthetics are so damn good that they can go twice as long between oil changes and increase gas mileage at the same time it would be in the manufacture's best interest to put it in the engine from the factory.
Your killing 3 birds with one stone. 1) You supposedly lower oil comsumption which lowers the bad emissions, which is something the EPA measures. 2) You increase gas mileage which is another thing the EPA looks at. 3) You cut down on the use/destruction of a non-renewable resource (crude oil) by cutting the amout of oil you use through oil changes in half. This benefits all of man kind.
If any one of these 3 examples I just gave were actually true then the EPA would have already made it law that all engines use synthetics. Or, they would at least put more pressure on the automotive manufacturers to use them.
The fact that there has been no pressure from the EPA to use synthetics over dino is enough evidence to support the theory that synthetics do nothing to protect the environment. If they don't do anything to help protect the envirenment then are they really doing anything to protect your engine? My dad has used dino oil for years and he never has had an engine fail. He trades them somewhere between 175,000-250,00 miles. He may go a year (24K) without changing his oil.
This is the one area that the only technical data you have to go by is what the oil manufactures give you. Of course, they are all going to try to convince you that their oil is better than anyone elses. They all have to meet the same standards and they have little or no incentive to exceed these standards because that will drive up cost. It's all a crock of sh!t.
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Kowalski
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4/22/2004
16:12:39
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aj - actually, the reason for 5-30 is actually that tighter internal engine tolerences are better lubricated by the lighter oil. Putting 5-30 in an older, looser motor would do nothing good for emissions (could be worse). The claim you make is a crock...
Whiplash - you seem to be losing sight of the fact that EPA sets emision standards to be met; but doesn't dictate how to meet them. Synthetics will give marginally better performance.
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aj
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4/22/2004
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I am afraid you might be wrong. The reason they put the 5-30 at the factory is to squeak by on the mileage test.
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WipLash
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4/22/2004
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Kowalski,
I understand what your saying.
The point I'm trying to make is that most of the people working for the EPA are left wing radical liberals (tree huggers). If there were any real evidence to support the theory of synthetics being more environmentally friendly they would be making a case for it. They make a case on everything else that impacts the environment. They made cases on things that have a lot smaller impact on the environment than motor oil.
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aj
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4/22/2004
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ahh you just made a friend. You bet those tree hugging a-holes run the show. Here in California the wacked ecofrauds are the CARB. California Air resources Board, they are liars and thieves.
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99DAK
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4/22/2004
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First of all the factory-fill usually gets thrown out after about 500 miles anyway, so synthetic in most cases would be a waste of money (at least from the manufacturers point of view).
Secondly, until there is a cross-industry concensus on extended drain intervals, which there currently is not, I don't see the EPA weighing in on the subject.
BTW, I think Christie Whitman, former EPA administrator under Bush and a well-known moderate Republican (prior to the Bush post she was governor of New Jersey), would take issue with your "tree hugger" remark.
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99DAK
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4/22/2004
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And this guy definitely ain't no tree hugger:
current EPA administrator
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WipLash
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4/23/2004
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Bush is doing a good job of getting the left wing radicals out of key decision making positions. My hat is off to him for that.
But,since the guy in charge of the EPA isn't a "tree hugger" and is a Republican explains why there has not been a push to make synthetics manditory. That would cut into President Bush's oil profits, if everyone started going 6K to an oil change instead of 3K.
How long the oil is left in from the factory is irrelivent to this discussion. You are only throwing out 1 of the 3 variables that effect emissions when you do your first 500 mile oil change. The oil is supposed to not vaporise as bad as dino oil and it is supposed to increase fuel mileage. Those 1st 500 miles that your engine is breaking in is one of the times where oil consumption is higher than ever. This would be more reason to have synthetics in there for the first 500 miles.
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99DAK
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4/23/2004
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The general concensus seems to be that, in most vehicles most of the time, synthetic in the motor is good for a 1-3% mpg increase - 500 miles in a Dakota means you'd be saving what, maybe half a gallon of gas? Environmental considerations notwithstanding, that would be a pretty tough sell with the auto industry lobbyists.
Regarding any emissions benefit, I've not seen any significant hard data on that, if you have then I'd love to see it.
BTW, in case you weren't aware of it, EPA administrator is a presidential cabinet post. Republican presidents almost invariably appoint a Republican, just as Democrats always appoint a Democrat.
Petroleum oil for motor fuel and lubrication is going to begin to become irrelevant in the next 20-30 years, simply because auto makers and "big oil" aren't stupid and they won't wait until crude reserves are depleated before developing alternative ways of staying profitable. The irony of this is that demand will actually start to drop as we gradually shift to other sources of propulsion for vehicles, a nice benefit of which might be a more stable Middle East. (uh-oh, now I've done it, better go get my flame suit...)
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