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dak-jak
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3/18/2004
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Anybody tried anything ?
STP fuel conditioner ?
Any positive results?
Most Dak's like premium , but
getting too expensive !
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j
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3/18/2004
11:17:25
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Octane boosters are mostly rip-offs. Anything that actually works will cost you more than just buying premium. You should use the lowest octane you can without pinging.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Spintech true duals, Kenne Bell s/c, Aquamist water injection.
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3/18/2004
11:28:40
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Most production street vehicles, even high performance ones, are not going to benefit from anything higher than the recommended octane. So it only really becomes an issue if you are unfortunate enough to live in a state that has made unavailable the octane your engine was intended to burn (like California).
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I am not a qualified expert. My Bro-In-Law owns a couple of gasoline stations, and I have read some articles.
It’s been my observation that if an engine does not require high-octane fuel, it will run cleaner and better on the fuel it was designed for.
Octane rating is a measure of the fuel's resistance to pre-ignition. High-octane is specified by manufacturers when the engine requires it. High compression, high temps, or turbo engines will do better with high octane due to its slower burn rate.
Basically, the numbers you see at the pumps only indicate the anti-knock index of the fuel. It is measured using RON + MON and the divided by 2 (R+M)/2. In short, RON (Research Octane Number) measures the fuel's anti-knock index simulating light load, typical street, normal driving conditions. MON (Motor Octane Number) measures the fuel's anti-knock index simulating high-speed, high load conditions.
They used to post the RON and MON octane numbers in small print on the Sunoco pumps but I haven't noticed this lately.
Run what your owners mauual specifies. Put the high-octane in an engine designed for 87 and you have incomplete combustion ... and a waste of 20 cents per gallon.
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Most "Octane Boosters" use the phrase "up to", as in "raises" the Octane Level "up to" 10 points ... so you may only go up 1-9 points, and maybe 10.
HERE IS THE CATCH
a point is --- (unfortunately) ... just a decimal point.
Therefore:
"10 points" brings you from 93 octane to 94
"5 points" brings you from 93 octane to 93.5
"1 point" brings you from 93 octane to 93.1
For this reason, I am NOT a big fan of the products.
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While we are on the topic, ...
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Consider AMSOIL Series 2000 OCTANE BOOST for the track events !!
IMHO ... Not to be used as a daily fuel additive. Use only for qualifying runs and the actual racing event.
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Kowalski
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3/18/2004
15:29:21
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dak-jak - what's the source of your claim that most Daks like premium ? Even with the extra timing advance I have flashed into my 4.7, I only need premium when towing. It doesn't make much sense to run more octane than you need.
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MakeUpUrMind
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3/19/2004
22:38:29
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WTF? AMSOIL sponsor, I know your a sponsor of AMSOIL and all, but right after you got done degrading octane boosting fuel additivies you put a plug-in for AMSOIL's octane boosting fuel additive and used the very same point propaganda crap that you just got done knocking a few sentences before.
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Kowalski
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3/20/2004
07:04:17
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I guess he might as well make a buck off those who refuse to listen to the facts - that's more of a break than P.T. Barnum ever gave to anybody !
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3/20/2004
09:14:36
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Wrong "MakeUpUrMind" ... and Thanks "Kowalski",
What I stated was: "I am NOT a big fan of the products." ... and I stated my reasons very clearly.
However ... As Kowalski stated; " ( I ) might as well make a buck off those who refuse to listen to the facts."
Consider AMSOIL Series 2000 OCTANE BOOST for the track events !!
IMHO ... Not to be used as a daily fuel additive.
Use only for qualifying runs and the actual racing event.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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aj
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3/21/2004
09:26:31
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Octane booster is like putting sawdust in hamburger. Octane booster slows the burning rate of gasoline thus allowing a very high compression motor to reach TDC before ingition of the gasoline. If you a running stock compression booster is worthless, and can harm the motor. Why would anyone want to stop gasoline from igniting in a 8:1 compression motor???
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Greg
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3/23/2004
17:07:54
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I really don't think it's the point of ignition being put on the line as much as it is the point of the burn rate that is put on the line of question when looking at the lower compression engines... In other words a higher octane fuel may take more to ignite it, but in the longer run actually burns cleaner and more effecient... But, there is a point where the higher octane will actually jeperdize the engines performance... In my own fuel mileage and accelleration test I found that mid octane actually provided the best fuel mileage, but the high octane premium fuel provided the best accelleration... I actually did all the mathematics and came up with that in the longer run the mid octane will just about pay for itself because I actually got an increase of right around 2mpg on the highway... So I always run midoctane gas in my truck unless it spends a lot of time idling such as in the winter months then it gets regular only... Just thought I'de add in my $.02 ://
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Utah_T
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8/16/2004
21:49:43
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Too High an Octane, chances are, the power will drop off, your engine will run hot and mileage will decay. It seems best efficiency (or optimum pressure point) reached by the engine occurs when the fuel octane is correct. This optimum pressure occurs inside the engine cylinders when the piston is 15 degrees after top dead center. Too high an octane may cause optimum pressure to occur at 25 or 35 degrees after top center which means late timing that causes power to drop. Too low an octane rating will cause peak pressure to happen at 5 or 10 degrees after top center. Such early timing leads to detonation, loss of power and even engine damage. So you just cannot beat proper timing with proper gasoline.
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peedee
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8/17/2004
06:02:03
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Ohhhhhh!! I want so badly to respond!! But you will have to go and read the "save gas" post instead I guess. LMAO
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DeWayne
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8/17/2004
06:39:37
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I think there ae some very good talks here. Me, i used to use the highest octane in a toyota 6-banger. Toyota is known for its excellent engines. Well, this engine burned up and it might a been that i used the wrong octane. Thanks Utah T. That was probbly my problem.
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dak-jak
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8/23/2004
13:23:11
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I was talking more about mid-octane fuel as 'Greg'
suggested !
Someone else also touched something " spark timing
for the " proper fuel " , but seeing as it is so difficult to even change base timing , never mind
running timing determined by the computer,,
it seems easier and may even be better to use
mid premium fuel..
Some of you think that " any premium burns slower ": I believe it is only more difficult to ignite, but once ignited may even burn faster..
Sorry for long-winded reply..
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peedee
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8/23/2004
13:49:00
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remember, Please!
Octane adjustment should be the last resort! Never adjust a system to the octane, unless you are adjusting to lower the octane needed.
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Jag
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8/23/2004
21:26:52
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Aj - Glad to see someone that understands octane. Octane booster is a marketing gimick, and it works well. It is funny to see civics and crap cars scramble to run "super boost" octane booster made by Fast N Furious.
I have never run anything more then 87 unless the manual called for it...even then, I run 87 in my R/T with Mopar PCM. If I ever get pinging, I will upgrade.
I have run engines with 160hp/1 liter on 87, what does that tell you...
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fastyz400
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8/27/2004
03:23:58
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Jag,
It tells me that if you ever get a detenation from that 160hp/liter, it's is gonna blow up. lol
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