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takisho
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3/11/2004
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Finally a reliable, gas efficient truck with good style and durable. With gas price these days Honda come to save us with awsome truck. Watch you trucks depreciate when honda truck comes to town! Say goodbye to broken rundown dakotas.
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Get Bent
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3/11/2004
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Say sayonara to ESL class, takisho?
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3/11/2004
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could you be more espesific takisho?
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WipLash
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3/11/2004
23:15:56
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Reliable Honda? HAAA! My friend at work, who is also an Engineer, bought his wife a 2001 Honda last year with 40,000 miles on it. They have owned the CRV for only 6 months and it has left her stranded 4 times. He had to leave work yesterday to go get her out of a bad neighborhood. She was really upset about the situation. They plan to get rid of it as soon as the dealer figures out whats wrong with it. In the 12 years that I've owned a Dodge truck, I have never been stranded. Even the one time the transmission blew, I was still able to drive the truck in 1st and 2nd gear to the dealership. Knock on wood!
Honda is a POS!
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Ian
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3/11/2004
23:20:22
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Sorrow wiplash, even though i am an avid dodge fan, it is undisputed that honda makes some of the most reliable motor vehicles on earth, either you are completely ignorant or a liar, either way, b/c one honda crv brokedown does not mean that hondas are unreliable, years and years of reliability is on honda's side, it is pretty ridiculous when your bias puts u in the position where you are arguing a point everyone knows to be false...we can argue all day whether a honda looks good or goes fast but one thing you cannot argue is that it is unreliable
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GraphiteDak
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3/11/2004
23:29:14
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I look at this way.
How many Honda's do you see on the road that are older than 1990???
I have to look HARD here in Pheonix to even see Honda's much older then 1995 still on the road.
First little impact with a mail box and a Honda is totalled and sent to the junk yard!
With the way Honda is with Fuel Efficiency being TOP priority, thus having the lightest vehicles with smaller engines, I wouldn't count on being able to tow anything at all with a Honda truck!
I saw some Honda Civic's on the highway a few months ago. One was trying to tow the other with a tow rope. Guess what? The one towing had smoke barreling out from under the hood. That's right. A Honda can't tow it's OWN WEIGHT!!!! The CRV is super wimpy. My tire studs are larger than the rear axles on those. Honda had to rebadge Isuzu's just to HAVE a SUV in the early 90's. They suck!
I'll keep my Dakota thank you. Because my 4400 Lb Dak can pull another 4400 Lbs no problem!
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Ian
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3/12/2004
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graphitedak...
Your post has nothing to do with the discussion, this discussion concerns RELIABILITY not towing ability, not axle size, or anything else. Your point is well taken however, if you want a small reliable gas efficient vehicle buy a honda, if you want a truck that can handle serious offroad duty or has towing capabilities the dakota is an excellent choice. In fact, I used to own a civic now I own a dakota, specifically b/c i wanted a vehicle with some torque, with some towing capacity and although it is 2 wheel drive the ability to drive down most roads even those off the beaten path. However, I knew going with Dodge (american in general) I would be trading off some reliability for those factors i mentioned above. This is fine in my book, all vehicles have there pluses and minuses, however, I cannot respect comments that are patently untrue. Honda has solidified its role as an automotive leader in RELIABILITY plain and simple. Hondas are by no means "better" then Dodges, but for elementary research will show they are in fact much, much more reliable.
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I don't know about phoenix, but i sure as hell see many hondas older the 1990 on the road, they are probably one of the most visible used cars on the roads.
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JES
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3/12/2004
09:48:47
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Ian ... per your quote ... "serious offroad duty" ... I actually chuckled out loud when I read that.
Eric -- http://photos.yahoo.com/jes_96
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Facts 101
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3/12/2004
10:36:35
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Late 1950s: Honda starts producing small displacement motorcycles. The then dominant British and American manufacturers ignore them and declare them to be a "fad" and not a threat. By the the Early 1960s, Honda is established as major force, The entire British motorcycle Industry is in decline, The American motorcycle industry is decimated, only Harley Davidson survives...barely. 1970s: The entire British motorcycle industry is dead, BSA, Triumph, Norton, Vincent, Matchless, etc all out of business. Harley Davidson is on the brink of ruin, the HD management team puts together a last minute deal to sell the Motor Company to a bowling ball manufacturer to survive...barely. Honda owns the market, 1 in 6 motorcyles sold worldwide is a Honda. At the peak of the motorcycle boom Honda has 63 different models for sale. They are the absolute example of quality and reliability. About the same time, Honda starts building a small, economical automobile. The dominant American Auto Industry dismiss this car as a novelty, it isn't a threat. Anyone who doesn't know how that situation ended is in complete denial. Honda is well established and considered the standard for quality. If you don't believe it, drive an Acura sometime. I was unaware of Honda entering the light truck market, but if they have, they will be dead serious about it. This is good news for everyone. If you are a diehard Dodge fan, it's even better news, Honda quality and reliability will force DaimlerChrysler to improve an allready good product. The Dakota is a solid truck with some minor flaws, being forced to improve it by competition is probably the only way it will happen. As it stands, how hard is it to be better than a Ranger or S10? Bonus Fact: Wiplash is an idiot.
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00R/T CC
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3/12/2004
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Ian: not many Hondas older than 10 yrs anywhere that I've been lately. For that matter, not many of ANY Jap import older than 10yrs that is not falling off the sub frame with rust, bellowing blue smoke and generaly holding up traffic (unless, of course it's been punked out with a big wing and 7" exhaust tip). If anyone thinks that trading thier Dakota off on a Honda "truck" is a good idea, they need serous help, or they will when they buy that H...
I'm sure, though, they'll be reliable. But who will care? My boss bought a Pilot, less than a year old and it's been to the dealer 5 times (twice to fix electrical problems, once for axle noise, once to the body shop to fix a factory flaw, and once for a rattling exhaust)He sold his 17 yr old Mercury (which had nothing but reg. maint.)to make the down pmt on that POS, and is he ever sorry.
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3/12/2004
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They are produced as disposable vehicles.
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DSW
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3/12/2004
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I owned a Civic for 10 years, put 330,000 miles on it and never had to fix anything outside of the distributor at 200K miles, normal maintenance that's all. When it was totalled the insurance company paid $2200 for a 10 year Civic wih 330,000 miles on it. I wonder why these cars hold thier value if they are such a POS?
Honda a POS,,, Don't think so.
On my Dak I have had to replace the ball joints, tie rods, brakes, wheel bearings, shocks,,,,hmmm.
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deerridge
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3/12/2004
17:07:33
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Have you seen the Honda version of an SUV? Looks like a fat shoebox on wheels. I can see it now with a little bed on the back like the old VW truck thing.
I did like my Honda Prelude, great handling and would climb a tree with studded tires on snow. Wouldn't hold but 250 lbs of horse feed though. Could've used a few more horses too.
Real Horsepower
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wondering
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3/12/2004
18:08:21
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"330,000 miles and only fixed the distributor and normal maintenance." Ok, then what do you consider normal maintenance. List please.
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GraphiteDak
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3/12/2004
21:38:23
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No joke. It HAD to have had some parts replaced, battery, starter maybe, etc.
Dude, we here these stories of 300k+ miles on them.
But where in the hell are all the Honda's that are sold in BUTTLOADS in the 1980's????
I see MORE P.O.S. 1980's DODGE's from the 80's on the road and I HATED the 80's Dodge crap!
Where or where are the 1980's Honda's??????????
Int he JUNK YARD. That's where.
That must be the AWESOME trade in value you claim of???
Forget it. My Dakota will still be around in 10 years. Where will the 2003 Honda's be? Yup you guess it, in a scrap yard!
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3/12/2004
21:53:29
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Agree. Loads of K-cars, and thier later devrivitives, still on the road, and I mean LOTS! But when was the last time you saw an '84 anything Jap in actualy servicable condition? (or for that matter GM x-car or ford escort from the same era?) The K's were slammed (and still are by the ignorant) as POS when they came out, but look at how many are still on the road today.
Think before you type, Honda boys, 'cause it's pretty obvious that some of you know not of what you speak.
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whats new
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3/12/2004
22:33:28
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Hondas are reliable, no doubt. But whats the news? Toyota is the most reliable vehicle on the road and they have been building trucks for years. That said ,my last two trucks were Toyotas and my wife drives a civic, but I'd take my Dakota over all three combined!
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WipLash
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3/12/2004
22:38:09
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I was in Canada for 3 months back in the summer of 1998. The only cars over 7 years old that weren't completely rusted out from the road salt were Dodges. That is one of the reasons Dodge is so popular in Canada. They hold up better in harsh climates. There were no Chevys, Fords, Hondas, or Toyotas 7 years old that didn't have rust. I never saw so many 80's model K-cars in my life. I gained a whole new respect for Dodge/Chrysler while I was up there.
You see more 10 year old Neons than you do Civics. BMW thinks the Dodge 4banger is good enough for the Mini. Why didn't they use Honda engines if they are so damn good? Do you think BMW is going to skimp on anything?
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stillwonderin
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3/13/2004
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DSW where's the list?
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WipLash
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3/13/2004
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By the way, the cars that showed the most rust in Canada were Chevy's and they were followed closely by Fords. I saw several mid to late 80's MonteCarlos that had half of the fenders missing from the ground up. The bumpers literaly fell off them. The only cars that held up as good or better than the Dodges were Mercedes (go figure) and BMW's. They both cost 3 times more. Hmmmm.. Who did Mercedes pick to merge with? Who did BMW team up with for 4cyl applications? It damn sure wasn't Honda!
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Zack7687
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3/13/2004
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Hondas are reliable but they are made out of our scrap metal. My dad works for GM so I am die hard American car man. I will NEVER buy Jap Junk. I like to keep the money in America and not in China or Japan.
Zack
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