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| Bill Unregistered  1/02/2001 21:18:00 |
 Subject: 4.7 engineIP: Logged Message: Has anyone experienced oil foaming in the area under the plug where you add oil to the 4.7l engine? When I remove the oil cap and plug there is a considerable amount of "mayonnaise" that lines the area. The dealer claims this is normal and admits there is a TSB on the situation. |
| john Unregistered 1/02/2001 21:21:27 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Yeah a lot of us are geting that!!! i hear its normal for this engine, but i haevnt' heard if dodge is goign to do anything for it or not. Also i am not sure if it is a bad thing or not, i am hoping its nothing big and that it doesn't hurt this great engine!!! |
| Bernd GenIII  1/03/2001 00:22:59 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: TSB: 09-01-00 FEB 00 Normal Accumulation Of Foamy Oil - 4.7L Oil Fill Housing Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| john Unregistered 1/03/2001 06:23:24 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Hey brend, where do you guys find these TSB's for the dodge dakotas?!?!? |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/03/2001 07:37:45 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Bill you can find them at (www.alldata.com)go to Recalls and Service Bulletins.It will not tell you the fix...if you know someone that works in car repair,they should have that program in there PC at work that will tell you the fix. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/03/2001 08:07:29 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Sorry John...I address the post to Bill.Bill ck it out also. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bernd GenIII 1/03/2001 08:31:36 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Alldata is the most common one...try this one as well for "comparison": http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/ Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Zed Unregistered 1/03/2001 09:20:06 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Isn't white stuff in the oil from moisture?? Perhaps you're not driving the vehicle long enough to burn off all the moisture that condenses in a warm motor. Frequent short trips will do this, especially in cold weather. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/04/2001 20:46:33 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Called the dealer today about the foamy stuff. I just noticed it for the first time today and I've ben changing my own oil since I got the truck. Dealer says its moisture and there is a tsb. Taking it to the dealer monday for the fix they says it takes about a half hour. |
| john Unregistered 1/04/2001 21:40:53 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: What is the fix for this problem?!?! i might call about it myself esp since i have to go and get this thing inspected really soon too..... |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/05/2001 03:46:16 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I Sean the TSB on the foaming,I didn't see a fix on the foaming.My 97 Ranger 4.0L did the same thing .Bernd correct me if this is not true...the new engines are so air tight and run so hot that you will see some foaming.If you keep the oil changed as required, you will be ok. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/05/2001 07:42:34 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: The dealer told me there was a fix for it but I don't know what. I'll post something monday night as to what happenes or what they say. I have a 8:00 appointment with the dealer on monday. I have 13,900 miles on the truck and this is the first time I've seen this stuff in there. When I called the dealer yesterday they had an answer right away so I guess I'm not the only one calling them about it. I also asked them about how much oil the truck takes because I keep hearing different numbers of 5-6. The dealer told me it may take a little more than 5 to 5.5qts. |
| Bernd GenIII 1/05/2001 08:38:50 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: I could, possibly, see a little bit of foaming from a brand new engine...but from what others are seeing (at higher mileage) this isn't the case. Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/05/2001 09:17:03 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I will be looking for your answer.I don't get it about the oil fill thing...I have seen a lot of post on that,my manual says to put in 6 qts with filter. Thanks Jim Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| commish Unregistered 1/06/2001 20:23:16 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: maybe a chev small block would cure your ailments ? but hey what do i know |
| Bernd GenIII 1/06/2001 20:40:25 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Hehehe... (No Comment) ;) (Ex-Chevy man!) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/06/2001 21:09:15 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: commmish I would rather walk or call a cab or stay home...or ride with a ******* nut,than put ******* Chevy in anything.Chevys are like ******* ever one has one!commish I would even buy a rice burner or a moped.WHAT WHAT--there is one thing I would put a Chey in...THE BED OF MY DAKOTA...so I could haul it to the scrap pile so I could have it melted down, to make a bomb to drop om GM. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/06/2001 21:48:33 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Relax...just kidding. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast  1/07/2001 11:12:35 |  RE: 4.7 engineIP: Logged Message: Gentlemen I am kuris on what type of oil ever one is using to get the foaming in there engine. Thank You-Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| commish Unregistered 1/07/2001 17:17:32 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: nice to see a sense of humor on here. thanks bob but i never read the chev board reguarding foam maybe they dont have these probs or the pages of wonderment about trivia. call the dealer they got all the answers |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/07/2001 18:31:02 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Commish...take your crack and go back to the Chevy board. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Terry Unregistered 1/08/2001 03:14:36 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: I use mobel oil Bob i don't have any of that foam on my cap. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII  1/08/2001 09:44:32 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Terry I use mobil1 and just started getting the foam. OK for those who want to know heres the results after going to the dealer. The dealer replaced two parts on the filler tube. The cap and a seal on the cap. Heres the part numbers if anyone wants them. (53032126-AA) (53032389-AC) Brought my truck in at 8 had it back at 8:30 So now if your dealer does nothing about it you know its time to complain. |
| Bob Dakota Enthusiast 1/08/2001 15:00:08 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Thanks Jim for that information. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| commish Unregistered 1/09/2001 01:07:08 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: well nice to see the people of higher intelligence do go to the dealer and get satisfaction hmmmm maybe there is something about a dodge dealership thats more important then just selling vehicles to people who cant read a warranty card |
| Bernd GenIII 1/09/2001 01:20:41 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Is that the little gold card I got from the dealer? I was wondering what that was for...hehehehe. ;) (Just kidding BOB!) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bernd GenIII 1/09/2001 01:21:16 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Is that the little gold card I got from the dealer? I was wondering what that was for...hehehehe. ;) (Just kidding BOB!) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bill Dakota Enthusiast 1/09/2001 22:32:37 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Thanks for the feedback. The truck only has 500 miles on it. The "foam" appears after short trips and after driving long enough to warm up. The trip to the dealer resulted in them "checking to see if the modifications were done at the factory" according to the TSB. I plan on switching to mobil 1 soon. 2001 quad cab 4.7l auto 3.92 l-slip patriot blue |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/10/2001 17:53:09 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I thought I would ck my oil cap...sure is shit,my cap and tube was covered in that brown foam.My 4.7 has 2,400 miles on it and I drive 12 miles to work and never take short trips with out the oil getting up to heat.I sure hope that other owners of the 4.7L get the fix you got for yours,I will get mine to the dealers next wk. Thanks Ones Again Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/11/2001 14:48:42 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Well I had the fix and so far so good no new foam. Glad to be of help, at least I know I'm not the only one with these types of problems. Jim |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/11/2001 15:22:40 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I called the dealer and they said there is a TSB,witch I new anyway.They said there is no fix...the filler spot is bolted so close to the block and head,(hot cold) makes foam...not to worry. Bob 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/11/2001 19:26:23 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Thats bull sh*t. Did you give them the part numbers I listed? And if theres no fix then how come I'm not getting any foam now. I would say try calling some other dealers and see what they say. The dealer i got my truck from is very good and I've never had a problem with them. if theres no real fix I couldn't see them wasting their time and mine putting in worthless parts. Hell if you want it I'll scan in my invoice and you can print a copy to show the dealer. Jim |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/11/2001 20:12:52 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I didn't give them the part numbers...help me figure this out Jim,if they replaced the seal and cap, how would that fix the problem?The only thing I can think of , the air on the out side of the filler is cold and the oil and air in side is very hot,that would make the foam...the filler tube is big and very exposed to the out side air.I'm thinking there is no fix.Jim keep checking your and keep us posted.I work for Jeep and I'm going ask around to get to the bottom of this problem. Thanks Jim--I'll be back 2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/12/2001 07:39:46 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Bob I agree with your view of the hot and cold around the cap. My thought would be that there is a gap between the cap and the filler tube when the cap is on tight allowing cold air to get in. Which is why we are seeing this problem now in the winter and we didn't have this problem the rest of the year, because the outside temp was warmer. I think the newcap and seal have closed up what ever gap was there. I'll keep an eye on it but so far its been fine and I've been taking a look everyday to see if its really fixed. |
| Jim Nolin GenIII 1/12/2001 07:43:56 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: After talking with the guy I work with we both have the same feeling that it sounds like the dealer just doesn't want to be bothered. They don't get any money for fixing it so why spend their time. But hey thats just my thoughts on your dealer. |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/12/2001 19:21:52 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Jim I will find out from work on the foam,I will look at a cap on the 3.7 Liberty next week...and ask the man that is training our repair men. Bob 00 Dak. CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. (#9) |
| Lefteez GenIII 1/26/2001 21:55:10 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Brand new to this page. Glad I found it. Ran out to look at my cap on my 2001 Quad Cab 4.7. (4500 miles) Not only did I have the foaming, but the underside of my cap was just dripping with moisture beads! Thanks all! |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/27/2001 08:31:30 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Will come aboard Lefteez...no pun intended.He He Have you met Bernd,he is the answer man...he has the quest V6 in Texas and President Bush has the biggest head Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| Bernd GenIII 1/27/2001 11:39:55 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Oh c'mon now Bob. ;) Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 1/27/2001 12:05:27 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Oh c'mon now. what you mean Bernd. Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9Elliott |
| y22man GenI 2/01/2001 16:16:18 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Ok I am a rookie to this. What does TSB stand for and the list from alldata.com. What should I do with those TSBs? Also I got a recall notice fot the front axel. I do not see that on the recall notice on the alldata site. thanks Jay |
| Bernd GenIII 2/01/2001 22:05:33 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: TSB = Technical Service Bulletin You can look them up at several sites: http://www.alldata.com http://www.nhtsa.org Bernd D. Ratsch 1997 Dodge Dakota SLT Supercharged w/Nitrous |
| Eugene Harrington Unregistered 2/24/2001 10:36:11 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: After reading all the questions and replies, I feel our best defense to combat the goo would be to keep the oil level just barely below the full mark on the dipstick. I do my own oil changes and usually add the sixth quart after starting the engine and letting the oil pressure come up , then stop and cool. I pour oil into filter before mounting, this reduces time to pump oil into an empty filter. This way I can add just what is needed without overfilling, there is always some oil which won't drain out even when I have it warm and let it drain for a long time and drip seemingly forever. Fast change shops could never do that for us, too much time for their money. Anyhows, I got in a hurry and dumped in the six quarts last change. My dipstick reads a bit over full. I think the rod caps could indeed whip the oil into a froth. The 4.7 doesn't need that, especially with the cams in the valve covers. I have a hand pump which I am going to use to remove about 1/4 - 1/3 of a quart to bring my level down just a smidgeon below the full. With my understanding so far, this seems the best attempt. It is interesting to find differing oil brands all having the problem. I now wonder, how many people with the problem of goo have the level over full ? Thanks, Eugene |
| SKIP Unregistered 2/24/2001 14:47:56 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: HAD THE DEALER INSTALL "THE FOAMING FIX "ON FEB. 14 th. WITH JUST UNDER 6000 MILES ON A 2000 4.7. I HAVE ONLY PUT 400 MILES ON THE ENGINE SINCE "THE FIX ". TO DATE I HAVE CLEANED OUT THE FILLER TUBE WITH A RAG SEVERAL TIME AND THE GOO KEEPS COMING BACK. I THINK THE BAFFLE WAS INSTALLED TO HID THE PROBLEM FROM ANYONE WITHOUT THE SENSE TO PULL IT OUT AND LOOK UNDER IT. BUT WE'RE TOO SMART FOR THAT TRICK RIGHT ?? HOW LONG DO YOU GUYS THINK IT WILL TAKE THIS GOO TO CLOG UP THE PVC VALVE ??? |
| Bob DakotaEnthusiast 2/24/2001 16:44:16 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Skip we all must keep bitching to DC.They need to put the oil fill back on the valve cover where it belongs.Ever one that has the problem must call DC at 1-888-4-A-DODGE and tell them you are not happy,you don't want a milkshake in your engine.The word must get out to the masses.Remember the squeaky wheel gets greased first! Bob 00 Dak.CC SLT Plus 4.7L 235hp 355 L-Slip Auto. #9 |
| Max Unregistered 3/12/2001 20:28:34 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: Gentleman, I just learned of this site and also that I have a problem with foam on my new Dakota 4.7 with 3300 miles on it. After reading all the messages last night I went out and checked my oil filler tube. Yep, you guessed it. White foam. Also condensation on the side of the filler. Could the cause be from the filler being plastic and the surrounding engine metal? I liked what Eugene said about putting in only 5 1/2 or 3/4 qts. in at the change. That may stop oil from being splashed up the tube. Well thanks fellows for all the input. It's great to know such a team exists out there for each other. If you listen to Jeff Brooks on saturday maybe he has an answer. I can't get him any more cause I moved. |
| Hawkeye Unregistered 3/22/2001 15:56:08 | RE: 4.7 engine IP: Logged Message: My friend and I have 2000 Quad 4x4's w/ 4.7's. The problem in the oil filler is condesation building up inside the filler and mixing with the oil that splashes up in the filler when the engine is running. Dodge has a thing that they are putting in the filler to fix the problem. My friend got it in his truck, I didn't. He still has the problem. Don't know if it will cause any long term problems or not. |
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